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#2493 - Protect Our Parks 16

May 1, 2026
Ari Shaffir
Ari Shaffir

Ari Shaffir (born February 12, 1974) is an American stand-up comedian, podcaster, actor, writer, and producer recognized for his provocative humor that frequently examines taboo subjects, personal vices, and societal hypocrisies through a skeptical lens. After growing up in an Orthodox Jewish family and studying at a yeshiva in Israel, Shaffir graduated from the University of Maryland with a degree in English and moved to Los Angeles to launch his comedy career, initially working as a doorman at The Comedy Store. He gained prominence through stand-up specials such as Passive Aggressive (2013), Double Negative (2017), Jew (2022), and America's Sweetheart (2024), alongside hosting the storytelling series This Is Not Happening on Comedy Central. From 2011 to 2023, Shaffir produced and hosted Ari Shaffir's Skeptic Tank , a podcast featuring interviews with experts and individuals to probe human motivations, pseudoscience, and experiential narratives. Shaffir's unapologetic approach has sparked controversies, including a 2020 video on social media deriding the death of Kobe Bryant, which prompted backlash from celebrities and fans but was upheld by Shaffir as emblematic of his boundary-pushing style unbound by public mourning rituals. Ari Shaffir was born in New York City to parents of Romanian Jewish descent, with his father, Nat Shaffir (born Nathan Spitzer in 1936), a Holocaust survivor who lost 32 family members and emigrated to Israel before settling in the United States in 1961. The family initially adhered to Conservative Jewish practices during his infancy and early years in Greensboro, North Carolina . At around age nine, the Shaffirs relocated to Silver Spring, Maryland , where they adopted Orthodox Jewish observance, transitioning from a more lenient approach to stricter adherence to halakha (Jewish law). This move immersed Shaffir in a Modern Orthodox environment, characterized by daily Torah study , Shabbat observance, and communal isolation from non-religious influences to preserve piety. The Orthodox framework emphasized ritual discipline and ethical rigor, fostering a worldview centered on divine covenant and moral absolutism , though it also highlighted tensions with broader American secular culture evident in Maryland's diverse suburbs. Shaffir grew up in an Orthodox Jewish family in Kemp Mill, Maryland, part of Montgomery County, after earlier relocations from New York City and Greensboro, North Carolina . He attended Jewish day schools and Hebrew academy during his formative years, immersing him in religious observance and community traditions. He completed high school in nearby Rockville, where exposure to broader social dynamics began introducing tensions between his insulated upbringing and external influences. Following high school, Shaffir studied briefly at Yeshiva University , adhering to strict religious study, before transferring during his sophomore year to the University of Maryland, College Park . There, he earned a bachelor's degree in English literature in 1999, shifting focus to arts courses including screenwriting . This transition marked a pivotal departure from religious orthodoxy, as the secular campus environment—characterized by diverse ideologies and personal experimentation, such as marijuana use—clashed sharply with his prior god-fearing lifestyle, prompting initial doubts about inherited doctrines. At the university, Shaffir engaged with prevailing campus subcultures, including leftist-leaning activism and intellectual debates, but these encounters fueled rather than reinforced dogmatic adherence. Assigned initially to political science coursework, he observed ideological rigidities akin to those in his religious background, leading him to question unchallenged assumptions across spectrums.

Shane Gillis
Shane Gillis

Shane Michael Gillis (born December 11, 1987) is an American stand-up comedian, podcaster, actor, and writer from Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania. He co-hosts the weekly Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast with comedian Matt McCusker, featuring discussions on comedy, history, and current events in an unfiltered style that has built a dedicated audience. Gillis gained prominence with his self-released debut special Shane Gillis: Live in Austin in 2021, which amassed over 20 million views on YouTube, followed by the Netflix special Beautiful Dogs in 2023 and a lead role in the Netflix series Tires (TV series) . In 2019, he was hired as a cast member for Saturday Night Live but fired shortly after when clips from his podcast resurfaced containing racial slurs and jokes deemed offensive, a decision attributed to NBC executives amid public backlash. He later hosted the show in February 2024 and March 2025, delivering monologues that referenced his past dismissal while focusing on stand-up routines about politics and personal anecdotes. Shane Gillis was born on December 11, 1987, in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania, a suburb located outside Harrisburg in Cumberland County. He grew up in this middle-class community amid a family of Irish Catholic descent, with siblings including sisters Kait and Sarah. The region's suburban-rural blend, rooted in central Pennsylvania's manufacturing and agricultural history, contributed to an environment emphasizing practical, direct interpersonal styles over abstracted urban norms. Gillis's father, often described in his son's routines as a dedicated viewer of Fox News for hours daily, exemplified exposure to conservative-leaning media within the household. This dynamic reflected broader patterns in working- and middle-class American families during the late 20th and early 21st centuries, where cable news shaped discussions on politics, economics, and social issues without deference to elite consensus. Such upbringing fostered Gillis's later affinity for unvarnished observations on class distinctions, male roles, and regional identities, diverging from coastal cosmopolitan perspectives. Family ties extended to athletic legacies, including a grandfather who played offensive line for the University of Notre Dame in the late 1930s, underscoring intergenerational emphases on physicality and team-oriented values prevalent in Pennsylvania's sports culture. Mechanicsburg's demographics—predominantly white, conservative-leaning, and community-focused—reinforced a worldview prioritizing local realities over national media narratives often critiqued for ideological skews. Gillis played American football as an offensive tackle at Trinity High School in Camp Hill, Pennsylvania. His performance on the team attracted attention from college recruiters, leading to scholarship offers from Division I programs, including the United States Military Academy at West Point, where he was listed at 6 feet 4 inches and 275 pounds. Enrolling at West Point to play football, Gillis departed shortly after due to the program's demanding physical regimen. He transferred to Elon University in North Carolina, where he spent one year practicing with the football team while struggling academically, ultimately being asked to leave. Gillis then attended West Chester University outside Philadelphia, completing a Bachelor of Arts degree in history. Following graduation, Gillis held jobs in automobile sales, including selling Hondas, and taught English in Spain for six months. These varied pursuits reflected a period of exploration amid physical and intellectual challenges from his athletic background. Gillis entered the stand-up comedy scene in 2012, initially performing at clubs and open mics in central Pennsylvania, including regular appearances at the Harrisburg Comedy Zone.

Mark Normand
Mark Normand

Mark Normand (born September 18, 1983) is an American stand-up comedian, actor, and podcaster renowned for his sharp observational humor, self-deprecating style, and high-energy delivery that blends topics like anxiety, relationships, fatherhood, and social absurdities. He is married to Mae Planert and has a son. Born and raised in New Orleans, Louisiana, Normand began performing stand-up comedy in his hometown in 2006 before relocating to New York City, where he honed his craft at clubs like the Comedy Cellar. A New Orleans native based in NYC, he has been praised by Jerry Seinfeld as the "best up-and-coming comic," reflecting his rapid rise through relentless performances and viral YouTube sets that launched his broader career over a decade ago. Normand's television credits include multiple appearances on Conan (six times), The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon , The Late Show with Stephen Colbert , and Inside Amy Schumer , as well as roles in series like Horace and Pete . His stand-up specials highlight his punchy writing: The Half Hour (Comedy Central, 2014), Don't Be Yourself (Comedy Central, 2017, executive-produced by Amy Schumer ), the self-released Out to Lunch ( YouTube , 2020), a half-hour episode of Netflix's The Standups (2021), and his first full Netflix hour-long special Soup to Nuts (2023), which explores themes from awkward social encounters to personal vulnerabilities. In addition to touring internationally in theaters seating up to 1,500, Normand has earned accolades such as being named the Village Voice's "Best Comedian of 2013," winning the Great American Comedy Festival in 2016 and Caroline's March Madness in 2013, and featuring on Comedy Central's "Comics to Watch" in 2011. He co-hosts two popular comedy podcasts: Tuesdays with Stories (since 2013, with Joe List) and We Might Be Drunk (with Sam Morril), which have solidified his status in the comedy community. In 2025, Normand faced backlash for performing at the Riyadh Comedy Festival amid criticisms of Saudi human rights issues. As of 2025, Normand continues to perform on his ongoing North American tours, including the "Ya Don't Say" extension, drawing crowds with fresh material on cultural topics and personal neuroses. Mark Normand was born on September 18, 1983, in New Orleans, Louisiana . He was raised in the city by two parents whom he has described as normal and unremarkable in their everyday lives. His mother is Liz Williams, director of the Southern Food & Beverage Museum, and his father is Rick Normand, an attorney. During his childhood, Normand displayed early creative inclinations, spending much of his time shooting short films with friends and family . He also struggled with bedwetting, a quirk he has referenced humorously in later reflections on his youth. These activities occurred in a typical family environment that provided a stable, if ordinary, backdrop for his formative years. As the youngest child with an older brother, Normand often acted as the family's " icebreaker ," frequently attempting to elicit laughs from his parents and sibling through antics and observations. This dynamic of seeking familial amusement highlighted an innate humorous bent that would later influence his path into comedy . Normand attended De La Salle High School in New Orleans, where he developed early interests in creative pursuits such as filmmaking. Following high school, he enrolled at the University of New Orleans but dropped out without completing a degree. He then took a year off to study at the New York Film Academy in pursuit of film interests, though he ultimately dropped out after finding the program unfulfilling and began attending open mic nights instead. His academic path continued to be non-linear, with subsequent enrollment at Louisiana State University (LSU), where he failed out, followed by Baton Rouge Community College to improve his grades. He then attended and graduated from Southeastern Louisiana University .

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Shane Gillis is the co-host of “Matt and Shane’s Secret Podcast,” a creator and star of Netflix’s comedy series “Tires,” and one half of the sketch comedy duo “Gilly and Keeves.” His most recent special, “Beautiful Dogs,” is streaming on Netflix. Normand is the co-host of “Tuesdays with Stories!” and “We Might Be Drunk” podcasts. His new special, “None Too Pleased,” is streaming on Netflix. Shaffir is the host of the “You Be Trippin’” podcast. His seven-episode live storytelling series, “The End,” is available now from YMH Studios. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Books mentioned

Dead Wrong: Straight Facts on the Country’s Most Controversial Cover-Ups
Hit List: An In-Depth Investigation into the Mysterious Deaths of Witnesses to the JFK Assassination
UFOs, JFK, and Elvis: Conspiracies You Don’t Have to Be Crazy to Believe

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