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Episode #2477

#2477 - Rick Perry & W. Bryan Hubbard

April 1, 2026
Rick Perry
Rick Perry

James Richard Perry (born March 4, 1950) is an American politician who served as the 14th United States secretary of energy from 2017 to 2019. He previously served as the 47th governor of Texas from 2000 to 2015 and ran unsuccessfully for the Republican nomination for president of the United States in the 2012 and 2016 elections. Born into a family of cotton farmers in Haskell, Texas, Perry graduated from Texas A&M University in 1972 and entered into the United States Air Force, serving a five-year stint and achieving the rank of captain. After leaving the Air Force in 1977, Perry returned to Texas and entered politics, serving as a member of the Texas House of Representatives from 1985 to 1991. Initially a Democrat, Perry switched parties in 1989 and became a Republican, and was elected Agriculture Commissioner of Texas the following year. In 1998, Perry was elected lieutenant governor of Texas, becoming the state's first Republican lieutenant governor since Reconstruction. Perry assumed the governorship of Texas in December 2000, after Governor George W. Bush resigned following his election as president. Perry was elected governor in 2002 and was re-elected in 2006 and 2010, becoming the longest-serving governor in Texas history. As governor, Perry identified as a staunch conservative, enacting conservative fiscal policies, restrictions on abortion and expanded gun rights. Long considered a potential presidential candidate, Perry officially announced his candidacy for the 2012 Republican nomination for president in August 2011. Perry initially performed well in polling and showed strong fundraising prowess, leading to him being considered a serious contender for the nomination. However, his support declined following debates and early primaries, and he withdrew from the race in January 2012. Perry declined to seek re-election to a fourth term as governor and left office in 2015, launching a second presidential campaign shortly thereafter. Perry's second presidenti

W. Bryan Hubbard
W. Bryan Hubbard

W. Bryan Hubbard is a seasoned leader and advocate committed to creating, reforming, and improving human systems to accelerate progress for all. With a rich law, public policy, and community engagement background, he has consistently tackled some of society's most pressing challenges. From leading the Kentucky Opioid Abatement Advisory Commission to driving reforms in disability policy, child support enforcement, Medicaid systems, and judicial responses to mental health and substance use issues, Bryan’s work reflects a deep passion for positive change. His extensive experience includes managing complex organizations, building diverse stakeholder coalitions, organizing impactful events, and crafting innovative policy solutions.

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Rick Perry is the former Governor of Texas and former U.S. Secretary of Energy. W. Bryan Hubbard is the Chief Executive Officer of Americans for Ibogaine, a public policy education and advocacy organization working to medicalize ibogaine in the United States.

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The Bible
The Christian’s Guide to Psychedelics: Finding Hope and Healing Through God’s Creation
The Complete Dead Sea Scrolls in English
The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross

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