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Episode #1062
#1062 - Dan Harris & Jeff Warren
Dan Harris is a retired American broadcast journalist, author, and podcaster best known for his two-decade tenure at ABC News, where he reported from war zones and anchored major programs, before pivoting to promote secular mindfulness practices following a drug-related on-air panic attack . Harris joined ABC in 2000 after early career stints at local stations, including as a reporter for NBC affiliate WLBZ in Bangor, Maine , and quickly covered high-stakes stories such as the aftermath of 9/11, the Iraq War —where he embedded with troops and earned an Edward Murrow Award for a report on an Iraqi interpreter—and natural disasters like the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami. By 2010, he had risen to co-anchor the weekend edition of Good Morning America , anchor Nightline on Sundays, and host World News Sunday , roles that showcased his on-camera poise amid demanding schedules. A pivotal moment came on June 7, 2004, when Harris suffered a visible panic attack—heart racing, speech stumbling—live on Good Morning America before millions, an episode he later traced causally to chronic sleep deprivation, cocaine use in his 20s as a self-medication for reporting stress in volatile environments like Sarajevo, and possibly residual effects from ecstasy experimentation. This event, rather than derailing his career, spurred empirical self-examination; Harris experimented with meditation apps and retreats, finding it yielded measurable reductions in reactivity and stress—quantified by him as roughly "10% happier"—without reliance on unverified spiritual tenets or pseudoscience. His 2014 memoir 10% Happier: How I Tamed the Voice in My Head, Reduced Stress Without Losing My Edge, and Found Self-Help That Actually Works detailed this skeptical odyssey, becoming a #1 New York Times bestseller and launching a multimedia empire including the 10% Happier podcast, which features interviews with neuroscientists and practitioners vetted through journalistic scrutiny. Harris retired from ABC in 2021 to dedicate full time to mindfulness content creation, authoring follow-ups like Meditation for Fidgety Skeptics (2017) and developing apps emphasizing evidence-based techniques over dogma . While his broadcast work earned accolades for factual reporting under pressure, his post-ABC focus has drawn praise for demystifying meditation 's cognitive benefits—supported by studies on attention and emotional regulation —but also critique for potentially oversimplifying complex mental health dynamics amid mainstream media's occasional tendency to hype wellness trends without rigorous caveats. No major professional scandals beyond the disclosed panic attack's backstory have marked his career, underscoring a trajectory from adrenaline-fueled fieldwork to pragmatic self-improvement advocacy. Dan Harris was born on July 26, 1971, in Newton, Massachusetts , a suburb of Boston . He grew up in a household dominated by medicine and science, with both parents working as physicians and his younger brother also entering the field. His mother, Nancy Lee Harris, served as a pathologist at Massachusetts General Hospital , establishing herself as a leading expert on lymphomas. This high-achieving family environment fostered a culture of intellectual rigor but also left Harris feeling outmatched, as he later reflected: "I spent a lot of my childhood feeling stupid." The scientific orientation of his parents profoundly shaped Harris's worldview, emphasizing evidence-based reasoning over unsubstantiated claims—a predisposition that would later inform his skeptical yet open-minded exploration of meditation . They modeled a work ethic rooted in demanding professions, with Harris observing their dedication firsthand, though he self-deprecatingly noted he lacked the aptitude to follow suit in science.
Jeffrey Warren (born March 11, 1971) is a Canadian meditation teacher, author, and former journalist who has popularized mindfulness and consciousness studies through accessible teaching and writing aimed at skeptics and diverse audiences. Born in Toronto and educated in literature at McGill University , Warren began his career as a producer for CBC Radio programs including The Current and Ideas , where he created documentaries on the workings of the mind. His transition to meditation teaching was influenced by personal experiences with attention challenges following a brain injury during university, leading him to study under mindfulness expert Shinzen Young since 2008. In 2007, Warren published his debut book, The Head Trip: Adventures on the Wheel of Consciousness , a guide exploring twelve states of consciousness from waking to dreaming, which was named one of the top 10 books on the subject by The Guardian . He gained wider recognition as co-author, alongside Dan Harris and Carlye Adler, of the 2017 New York Times bestseller Meditation for Fidgety Skeptics , which addresses common barriers to meditation through practical techniques and real-world stories from their cross-country tour. In 2011, Warren founded the Consciousness Explorers Club (CEC) in Toronto , a nonprofit organization that functions as a meditation community and " think tank " offering classes, retreats, and resources to make contemplative practices inclusive and experiential, with the motto "being human takes practice." Warren's teaching style, often described as dynamic and anti-guru, has reached varied groups including U.S. Army cadets, police officers, and teenagers, and he has received two National Magazine Awards for his journalism. Through initiatives like the free Do Nothing Project and the Community Practice Activation Kit, he continues to advocate for democratizing mental health tools, emphasizing short, daily practices over perfection. Jeff Warren was born in Toronto , Canada . His family relocated to Montreal to facilitate his early education, where he enrolled in French immersion schooling, before returning to Toronto amid the political instability following the 1970 Front de libération du Québec (FLQ) crisis. As a youth , Warren characterized himself as an impulsive, over-thinking worrier who identified as a long-time atheist, shaped by a secular family environment. His father was an engineer from an agnostic-secular background, his mother from a vaguely lapsed United Church family, and he has a younger brother and sister. His urban Canadian upbringing in Toronto and Montreal emphasized practical, non-religious values that sparked an early imaginative interest in consciousness and the natural world. During his post-secondary education at McGill University in Montreal , where he earned a B.A. in literature , Jeff Warren developed a keen interest in how the mind works, influenced by his upbringing split between Toronto and Montreal that fostered an inquisitive nature. This period in his late teens and early twenties marked the beginning of his intellectual curiosity about psychology and consciousness , predating his entry into professional journalism . A pivotal moment came in his second year at university when he suffered a serious injury, breaking his neck and sustaining a concussion after falling from a tree , which shifted his perspective and deepened his fascination with mental states and awareness. Initially identifying as an angry atheist in his youth—questioning the existence of God amid observations of human suffering—Warren's worldview began to evolve during his university years into a broader curiosity about consciousness. This transition was significantly shaped by his reading of William James , particularly The Varieties of Religious Experience , which introduced him to the distinction between "once-born" and "twice-born" temperaments and resonated with his own emerging spiritual inquiries.
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Dan Harris is a correspondent for ABC News, an anchor for Nightline and co-anchor for the weekend edition of Good Morning America. With Jeff Warren, writer & meditator, he has written a new book "Meditation for Fidgety Skeptics: A 10% Happier How-to Book" --
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