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Episode #125
#125 - Giorgio A. Tsoukalos, Eddie Bravo
Giorgio A. Tsoukalos is a Swiss-born American writer , ufologist, television presenter , and producer best known as a proponent of the ancient astronauts hypothesis, which posits that extraterrestrial beings influenced human civilization in antiquity. Born on March 14, 1978, in Lucerne , Switzerland , to Greek and Austrian parents, Tsoukalos attended boarding school in his home country before immigrating to the United States in the 1990s . He earned a bachelor's degree in communications from Ithaca College in Ithaca, New York , in 1998. Early in his career, Tsoukalos worked as a bodybuilding promoter, volunteering at events like the Mr. Olympia competition and producing the IFBB San Francisco Pro Grand Prix from 2001 to 2005. His interest in ancient alien theories was sparked in childhood by his grandmother, who introduced him to Erich von Däniken's book Chariots of the Gods? . From 1999 to 2008, he served as editor and publisher of Legendary Times magazine, dedicated to ufology and ancient mysteries. Tsoukalos entered television in 2002, contributing to programs on networks including the Travel Channel , History , Syfy , and National Geographic . He gained widespread recognition as a regular contributor and co-executive producer on the History Channel series Ancient Aliens , which premiered in 2009 and, as of 2025, continues to explore pseudoscientific ideas about extraterrestrial interventions in human history . His distinctive hairstyle and enthusiastic delivery have made him a cultural meme , often referenced in popular media. As an author, Tsoukalos has contributed to publications and books on ancient astronaut themes, including the Ancient Aliens official companion book. He has also appeared as himself in other projects, such as the Syfy series Resident Alien . In 2014, Tsoukalos reported a personal UFO sighting at Joshua Tree National Park in California . Giorgio A. Tsoukalos was born on March 14, 1978, in Lucerne , Switzerland , and is of Greek-Austrian descent. He spent his early years in Switzerland , attending boarding school and frequently traveling with his parents, experiences that exposed him to diverse cultures and sparked an early fascination with ancient mysteries . During this period, Tsoukalos developed interests in history, science fiction , and bodybuilding . In the early 1990s , as a teenager, he immigrated to the United States seeking better educational opportunities. Tsoukalos attended Ithaca College in Ithaca, New York , enrolling in the mid-1990s and graduating in 1998 with a Bachelor of Science degree in Communications, with a focus on sports information and communication. During his college years, Tsoukalos was actively involved in bodybuilding as an extracurricular pursuit, participating in related clubs and volunteering at major events such as the Mr. Olympia competition to gain hands-on experience in the sport. This involvement began as a childhood interest and continued through his studies, helping him build practical skills in promotion and event coordination. Tsoukalos's early intellectual interests were shaped by exposure to pseudo-archaeological theories, particularly through reading Erich von Däniken's seminal work Chariots of the Gods? , which his grandmother introduced to him as a young boy; he rediscovered and deepened this fascination during his formative years, igniting a lifelong passion for ancient astronaut hypotheses. After graduating from college, Tsoukalos entered the bodybuilding industry as a promoter in the late 1990s and early 2000s , leveraging his enthusiasm for the sport developed during his studies. In 1998 , he launched Legendary Times magazine, serving as its publisher and editor, with the publication initially dedicated to exploring unexplained phenomena and ancient mysteries through articles by prominent researchers.

Eddie Bravo (born Edgar Cano; May 15, 1970) is an American Brazilian jiu-jitsu instructor, innovator, and founder of the 10th Planet Jiu-Jitsu system, a no-gi grappling methodology that emphasizes high-flexibility guards and unconventional submissions. Born in Santa Ana, California , to Mexican immigrant parents, Bravo initially pursued wrestling in high school before discovering Brazilian jiu-jitsu in the 1990s, earning a black belt under Jean Jacques Machado in 2003 after developing his signature rubber guard technique, which involves wrapping the legs around the opponent's head and arm to control and attack from the bottom position. His most notable competitive achievement came at the 2003 ADCC Submission Wrestling World Championship, where, competing as a brown belt, he submitted Royler Gracie —grandson of BJJ founder Carlos Gracie —with a triangle choke , a victory that highlighted the effectiveness of his unorthodox style against traditional Gracie lineage practitioners and propelled his influence in no-gi grappling . Following this, Bravo established 10th Planet Jiu-Jitsu , expanding it into a global network of affiliated gyms that prioritize no-gi training, innovation over tradition, and techniques like the rubber, truck, and twister guards, fostering a subculture within jiu-jitsu that challenges gi-based orthodoxy . Beyond grappling , Bravo has gained prominence as a podcaster and frequent guest on the Joe Rogan Experience , where he discusses martial arts alongside advocacy for conspiracy theories such as flat Earth , directed-energy weapons in the 9/11 attacks, and elite cabals, positions that have rendered him a polarizing figure in both combat sports and broader cultural discourse, often critiqued for diverging from empirical consensus yet defended by supporters as emblematic of independent inquiry. Edgar A. Cano, later legally known as Eddie Bravo after adopting his stepfather's surname, was born on May 15, 1970, in Santa Ana, California . His biological parents were Mexican immigrants who had settled in the United States, instilling a Mexican-American heritage in a working-class environment typical of many immigrant families in Southern California during that era. Bravo's early years were marked by a strong interest in music, beginning at a young age when he learned to play the drums and guitar. He formed several bands during his formative period, harboring aspirations of becoming a professional musician in the rock genre. This pursuit reflected an independent streak, as he channeled creative energies into self-directed musical endeavors rather than conventional paths. Eddie Bravo was born on May 15, 1970, in Santa Ana, California , to Mexican immigrant parents, later adopting his stepfather's surname. Limited public information exists regarding his formal education, with no verified records of attendance at community college or university ; his early development appears to have prioritized self-directed practical skills over structured academic paths. Before discovering Brazilian jiu-jitsu in 1991, Bravo's primary non-martial interest lay in music, where he developed skills on drums and guitar during his youth. He formed the band Blackened Kill Symphony as an outlet for his creative ambitions in the music industry. These pursuits reflected a hands-on, experimental approach to self-expression, aligning with his later problem-solving mindset unburdened by conventional frameworks. Eddie Bravo first encountered Brazilian jiu-jitsu through Royce Gracie's dominant performances in the early Ultimate Fighting Championship events, particularly UFC 1 in November 1993 and UFC 2 in March 1994, where Gracie submitted larger strikers using ground control and chokes, proving the art's efficacy in unsanctioned combat against diverse martial styles.
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Joe sits down with Giorgio A. Tsoukalos and Eddie Bravo.
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